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Great concept, those parachutes wouldn't be anywhere near so golden with that in place.

I think you might be overlooking the possibility--actually high likelihood--that this is contracted and then subcontracted to distance those who are ordering the espionage from the unsavory and illegal activities of those who actually have to do the work. It affords a certain deniability. If the same had happened at a lower profile company and to someone with less power this would never have come to light, and the accusations of illegality would have been dismissed and the contractors richly rewarded.

Off topic but just because FOX is blatantly pro right, doesn't mean that it is objective about the right. Rather they clearly have one agenda which is to promote the right wing of this country. CNN et al. are much more moderate and are willing to say good and bad things about both parties. Objective news on a movement will never come from that movement or FOX News. Not that CNN couldn't use a lot of work (as it has a definite right wing bias as well)

I don't see it as off topic at all because look at the source. The NY Times....... they put out propaganda on a regular basis. You won't see Fox sourced here on OSN, why should left wing news be sourced here either? Because they've got a long/old establishment?

A media source which has a political agenda is not to be trusted.

And CNN is not right wing. They regularly carry the water for left wing causes, as does the majority of the media.

Couldn't agree more.

Case in point, look how fast the Carl Rove fiasco disappeared from CNN once it came out that Rove wasn't the leaker and Armitage was. The facts didn't match their agenda, so the news coverage of this story died away.

Then many of us watch and wonder at how a population can become so polarized and full of hate and spite. Journalism is dead anymore, at least real journalism. CNN, et al should be utterly ashamed of what they've done to taint so much of the population, but we clearly see (by their own actions) they have no shame, no conscious, no moral standing, anything for a story that fits their agenda and the hell with the facts.

Luckily I think the tide has turned, most folks I talk to anymore are just turning it all of and getting on with their lives versus getting all excited and upset over the eternal "crisis of the day" propaganda.

I have a friend that has an excellent tag line on his emails, goes something like:

"Medical professionals are growing increasingly alarmed by the increase in depression cases. May I suggest a simple solution? Turn off the damn TV, put the newspaper where it belongs (garbage can), and get out and live your life for a change."

J

--------Case in point, look how fast the Carl Rove fiasco disappeared from CNN once it came out that Rove wasn't the leaker and Armitage was.---------

It wasn't just CNN that the story disappeared from. It disappeared from what seems to be the entire media organ.

So much for that scandal.

And it's also worth noting that the rumors of Karl Rove being indicted first came out of that ultra left wing blog, truthout.org. That's something I do every now and then is browse the leftist blogs.

It's a good way to know what the lib media will be talking about in a day or three.

These people are so unethical it should sicken everybody. And the NYT is arguably the head of the snake.

Here's an alternative to actively ignoring the rest of the world outside your particular sphere: get news from *multiple* sources, identify issues that might be hyped and use a little critical thinking when reading or watching.

If everyone thought logically about pressing issues and critically about where they get their news from we might even have informed debate, as opposed to the outright partisan bickering on the news, the street and this site.

All media has a political slant, its human nature

the bbc is a government quango, but I still trust it as a impartial (non govenment dictated) news service

p.s. for anyone who doesnt know what a quango is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango

The BBC has alot of anti-americanism in it. So does the UK Guardian.

---------All media has a political slant, its human nature----------

I agree with you totally. But the liberal media should just come out and state what it is that we already know.

"we're in the tank for democrats"

And for that matter, Fox should also do the same.

"we're in the tank for republicans"

I do tire of the shilling.

Nothing new here, been going on in Corporate and Government circles/agencies for years and probably always will, HP just got caught.

I find it hillarious how upset people get over this stuff. 99% of these same folks think nothing of chatting away on a cordless or cell phone that can be monitored (very hard to detect passive monitoring) by all their neighbors, run open and unencrypted wifi at their homes, think nothing of the privacy issues of using a public wifi access point (unencrypted of course), will give out tons of unneccessary info to get a product or service, and so on. Little less emotion and a bit more balanced thinking would do the world a lot of good.

Now onto the comments

"CNN et al. are much more moderate and are willing to say good and bad things about both parties."

"Not that CNN couldn't use a lot of work (as it has a definite right wing bias as well)"

I laughed so hard I nearly wet myself after reading that! Who do you think your kidding, even the polls don't agree with that. CNN et all is about as liberal of a network as they come. Hey, real journalism is dead in this world anymore, they all have a slant one way or the other, some more than others. With the majority of the media in the US leanin strongly left, it's actually a good thing that FOX leans right, helps balance things out...especially since FOX is eating CNN's lunch anymore in the ratings.

Maybe there's a reason folks are leaving CNN (et al) for FOX, they're tired of the liberal propaganda/spin spewing strongly (and obviously) left leaning mainstream media in this country and they're looking for the other side of the story, even if it does have a conservative edge to it. A trend that isn't going to change anytime soon as people are fed up with CNN, LA Times, NY Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, and so on. The liberal media will never learn as they can't admit that they even have the problem, so FOX will continue to eat their lunch for them.

Just my two cents worth.

J

actually as a european, I believe I have a more objective view (the left actual exists here for instance, but lets not go into that ) and must say that most US press is quite right wing. Claiming CNN is left wing is a joke to me.

Now back on topic!

--------I believe I have a more objective view-----------

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until you said this...........

---------Claiming CNN is left wing is a joke to me.---------

Nobody's "claiming" that they're left wing. We're pointing it out.

--------So any news station out there will report news spun towards big business, from Fox to CNN. It is the nature of a capitalized news industry.-----------

That's false. The media is not capitalist.

If they were capitalist they'd have fired Dan Rather a decade ago. Because of him CBS was in third place for a very long time.

Their agenda is what's important to them, not money.

I agree. The liberal old guard media titans don't like the fact that they no longer control the choke points of information disclosure. And they aren't going down easily. CBS will carry Katie Couric for years and bleed money like a sieve -- but none of that matters, because CBS is the house organ for the DNC. Thank God for talk radio, Fox News, and the Internet.

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Edited 2006-09-19 02:00

Yeah, must have been Dan keeping them in third, funny how they're right back in third after the one week, "let's tune in and see if Katie screws up", bounce. Their ratings couldn't possibly have anything to do with their shoveling the same old tired crap formula programming.

Monitoring private communications breaks European human rights law.

Yeah, but obviously if it's a Democrat monitoring an evil Republican, then it must have been done in good conscience Because we all know that Gingrich deserved to have his cell phone calls recorded and handed over to Congressional ideologues. /cough