Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Oct 2007 18:41 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Fedora Core "Not all major software versions carry the same weight. Consider the last two releases of the Fedora distribution. Fedora 7 offered little that was obvious to desktop users, despite some behind-the-scenes improvements and the opening of the release process to public scrutiny. By contrast, if Test 3 of Fedora 8 is any indication, the upcoming release, scheduled for next month, returns to the distribution's tradition of introducing a variety of innovations. Some of these innovations, like the new firewall tool, are minor, if still welcome. Others, like the IcedTea version of Java and Codec Buddy, are flawed, but may eventually find their way into other distributions."
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by Rahul on Tue 23rd Oct 2007 19:22 UTC
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2005-07-06

While this review is overall positive, it is short and missed out quite a lot of changes in the upcoming release of Fedora 8.

Some of them like Network Manager 0.7 or Pulse audio by default where the upstream developers are also the Fedora maintainers are unique to this release though very likely to be adopted by other distributions. More information is available at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary

Rahul said it well
by buff on Tue 23rd Oct 2007 23:26 UTC
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2005-11-12

I downloaded the Rawhide Live CD of the latest test release and I was really impressed by version 8. I was skeptical about the CodecBuddy application so I tried to play a mp3 file and CodecBuddy GUI appeared and asked me if I wanted to download a free decoder or buy one. I selected the free codec and the install screen came up and then the mp3 played. The pulse audio was very sweet and I was playing around with adjusting the sounds from several applications and blending the output together. I had CompizFusion running also and Gnome was pimped out. Version 8 will definitely turn some heads. I was reading a developers forum the other day and some of the developers were commenting how version 8 appeared more stable than 7. The user friendliness of 8 is superior to 7. The Live CD is a joy to use and worked great. I added several applications using my available RAM and they all worked perfectly. I switched Network Manager from wired to wireless and it picked up the change without any editing of configs. Smooth. Grab the latest Rawhide torrent and try the Live CD. http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

Edited 2007-10-23 23:30

RE: Rahul said it well
by spikeb on Wed 24th Oct 2007 02:58 UTC in reply to "Rahul said it well"
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2006-01-18

what is the free codec? does it point to a download of Lame or something?

RE[2]: Rahul said it well
by Finalzone on Wed 24th Oct 2007 04:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Rahul said it well"
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2005-07-06

Nope. It points to Fluendo legal codecs.

RE[3]: Rahul said it well
by RenatoRam on Wed 24th Oct 2007 08:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Rahul said it well"
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2005-11-14

And they are not installed by default, albeit legal, because of the license policies of Fedora.

RE[3]: Rahul said it well
by pinky on Wed 24th Oct 2007 09:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Rahul said it well"
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2005-07-15

>Nope. It points to Fluendo legal codecs.

Just to make it clear: So it is not free (as in freedom) it is just gratis.

I dislike the whole Codec Buddy, at least as it is implemented now. Two reasons:

1. It is some kind of advertising for a company which develops and sells non-free software. I don't like advertising in operating systems especially not in community based operating systems.

2. I have followed Fedoras progress to become a complete free operating system (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeSoftwareAnalysis). It is sad to see that now that they were almost there they have taken a step backward. With Codec Buddy they lead their users to non-free software. At the end it is no difference if Fedora includes this non-free software in their repository or if they include the third party repository (here Fluendo) so tightly in their system that for most users the non-free software just comes from/with Fedora.

Fedora distributes non-free software, even if the software is not hosted on their servers, and makes advertising for a company. Really sad, I had high hopes of Fedora.

Edited 2007-10-24 09:26

RE[4]: Rahul said it well
by Rahul on Wed 24th Oct 2007 10:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Rahul said it well"
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2005-07-06

One of the options being evaluated from the legal perspective is to link to other third party repositories which might be a option for users on regions that don't enforce software patents.

While Fedora itself doesn't distribute those or the Fluendo codecs and never will, this now works similar to Firefox flash plugin which is easily installed but not distributed by Fedora. Of course, Fedora now packages gnash and swfdec will likely follow (since it's recent switch to gstreamer) and these are recommended about non-free programs and should in the future get installed by default once they become a bit more stable and mature.

Sounds awesome!!!
by GENIUS on Tue 23rd Oct 2007 23:41 UTC
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2007-09-10

One machine will go get a clean install from FC6 getting wiped straight to FC8.

Also, my workstations is running RHEL5 it will get dual booted with FC8.

Fedora gets better and better!

Wow
by BluenoseJake on Wed 24th Oct 2007 00:38 UTC
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2005-08-11

So innovative that it can ignore sound cards! It's been years since I saw a distro, RPM or otherwise that wouldn't detect the sound card.

RE: Wow
by buff on Wed 24th Oct 2007 01:20 UTC in reply to "Wow"
buff Member since:
2005-11-12

I have an SB Audigy LS and it detected it using the Live Rawhide build. It also worked on my older soundblaster live card. No problems here. Check the bugzilla database to see if your card is unsupported.

RE[2]: Wow
by BluenoseJake on Wed 24th Oct 2007 11:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2005-08-11

I don't use fedora, the reviewers sound card is the one that wasn't detected. Please read the article.

RE[3]: Wow
by Finalzone on Wed 24th Oct 2007 18:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow"
Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

So it is the job of the reviewers to precisely tell the readers what are the specification of the system to avoid confusion. No where in the article is located the name of soundcard.

RE[4]: Wow
by BluenoseJake on Wed 24th Oct 2007 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Wow"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

What is your point? I was just commenting on the fact that it has been a long time since I saw Any Linux distro not detect a sound card. I don't care what sound card it is, I found it surprising that it didn't detect it, and that's it.

RE: Wow
by gilboa on Wed 24th Oct 2007 10:02 UTC in reply to "Wow"
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2005-07-06

Given the lack of information (hardware?) and the lack of a bug report [!] link, this report means little (if any).

... If he wants his card to be detected by F8-release, he should have taken the time to post a bug report in bugzilla.redhat.com instead of just bitching about it.

- Gilboa

Edited 2007-10-24 10:03

RE[2]: Wow
by BluenoseJake on Wed 24th Oct 2007 11:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

I agree, you have to be proactive about these things.

R0x0rs
by handy on Wed 24th Oct 2007 06:07 UTC
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2005-07-06

I have to agree with Rahul. There are much more improvements then this author talks about. For examples
most wireless cards work out-of-the-box and Networkmanager, what I have seen it BEATS every netwerk manager on whatever OS. Hardly can wait ;)

Suspend resume
by vdbergh on Wed 24th Oct 2007 06:49 UTC
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2006-01-31

Suspend resume still does not work on my Dell Latitude D505 with FC8test3. It used to work out of the box until FC6. FC7 broke it solidly. Regressions like this in major system components are the achilles heel of linux.

RE: Suspend resume (on a Dell Latitude D505)
by vdbergh on Wed 24th Oct 2007 17:51 UTC in reply to "Suspend resume"
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2006-01-31

Replying to myself. As a test I installed Ubuntu 7.10.
The experimental intel video driver which was installed by default (like on FC8test3) did not work. However changing to i810 fixed everything (on FC8test3 this did not work either).

I'm happier now (Ubuntu is beautiful BTW).

NX bit
by netpython on Wed 24th Oct 2007 11:10 UTC
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2005-07-06

On PAE enabled (32-bit HIGHMEM=64G) kernels it's trivial to notice the NX bit has been sucessfully set, aka "dmesg |grep NX"

How can you check wether the NX bit/execshield feature works on x86_64 systems?

Edited 2007-10-24 11:10

RE: NX bit
by Rahul on Wed 24th Oct 2007 11:37 UTC in reply to "NX bit"
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2005-07-06
RE[2]: NX bit
by netpython on Wed 24th Oct 2007 11:57 UTC in reply to "RE: NX bit"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

That explains more or less how to switch Execshield on or off. But doesn't say wether the build in hardware memory protection of some capable CPU's is used or not.

Furthermore i have got the insight that the paxctl tool is a bit more fine grained when you want to change flags on a single binairy/librairy instead of making the whole stack executable, aka "kernel.exec-shield = 0" in "/etc/sysctl.conf".