Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th May 2008 22:11 UTC, submitted by SReilly
Hardware, Embedded Systems The idea of open-source hardware is slowly slowly but surely gaining traction. VIA Technologies, Inc., joined in on the fun today by unveiling an open source reference platform for low power notebooks, based on its own processor technology (obviously). The CAD files have been released under a Creative Commons license. The machine is tentatively named OpenBook.
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All popular Linux distributions
by Crono on Tue 27th May 2008 23:26 UTC
Crono
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2006-11-08

Define "popular" please.
On one of the linked sites they talk about Ubuntu and SUSE. And.. G/OS. Seriously, I never heard about it. And it's not in the Top 300something of Distrowatch either (even though that doesn't say much).

So what exactly do they mean with "popular"?

RE: All popular Linux distributions
by JPisini on Tue 27th May 2008 23:41 UTC in reply to "All popular Linux distributions"
JPisini Member since:
2006-01-24

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gos

Gos is number 30 on distrowatch at the moment

Kokopelli Member since:
2005-07-06

It is GOS on Distrowatch and is at #30 presently. I have never used it but if I recall correctly it was the distro preinstalled on the Linux PCs from Walmart. Beyond that and the factor that it is an Ubuntu derivative I do not know much about it. It has seen commercial distribution before though so I would not classify it as obscure.

Is it just me or does $500 for a starting price seem a bit high to be in competition with the EEE? I would be interested in it to be sure but I would have to classify it in a slightly different market with the probable $600-800 price tag for a configured system.

MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

EEE PC 900 is $550. The 901 is set to be $650. I think $500 is well competitive with that ;) The specs are ballpark. If they can put an Isaiah in it when that comes out the processor should be competitive (though until then, the c7 is as noted a little anemic). Hard Drive instead of flash is a negative for some, a positive for others (space), though there's no reason someone couldn't stick a flash drive in there.

So yeah, price is a little higher than the EEE 2g surf, but $500 is lower than the current EEEs.

/disclosure: Just ordered an EEE myself. Happy with the choice. I like flash drive, and slightly smaller size. But I wouldn't rule out the OpenBook.

Edited 2008-05-28 00:46 UTC

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by islander on Tue 27th May 2008 23:38 UTC
islander
Member since:
2007-04-11

I like this company more and more each time I read something about them and plan to refit all my pcs with Via processors.

Just got to love their concepts and think its the way forward for us in the developing world amidst the current energy challenges.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/

GO Via!

Edited 2008-05-27 23:40 UTC

RE: .....
by shyouko on Wed 28th May 2008 01:25 UTC in reply to "....."
shyouko Member since:
2005-12-31

It's just marketing when they cannot compete on real performance. About performance per watt? Lose hands down to any modern Intel or AMD offering.

Via???
by bolomkxxviii on Wed 28th May 2008 00:25 UTC
bolomkxxviii
Member since:
2006-05-19

There are benchmarks of the VIA C7 and the Intel Celeron and Atom processors on the internet. Please check them out before you decide to buy a VIA based system.

RE: Via???
by DigitalAxis on Wed 28th May 2008 12:48 UTC in reply to "Via???"
DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

They really need to get the Via Isaiah chip out soon; I haven't seen a single POSITIVE review of Via chips in the popular press (the HP 2133's ratings have suffered due to the C7 being slow). They need a better chip, fast.

Processors
by endar98 on Wed 28th May 2008 01:09 UTC
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Member since:
2007-09-06

How has the design of their processors been coming along? I don't have anything against them really, I like their mini-itx boards, however back in the day when I "upgraded" from a 486dx4 100mhz to a Cyrix PR200 (150mhz), I gained some processor cycles with a huge sacrifice to floating point operations. We benchmarked that thing and it basically said the floating point compared to a 80287 coprocessor... around 1998-99.

IIRC, which I may not ;) , I believe that the VIA chips are originally based off the flawed Cyrix processors, does the new VIA versions fare any better?

Or maybe I just ramble nonsense? ;)

RE: Processors
by shyouko on Wed 28th May 2008 01:21 UTC in reply to "Processors"
shyouko Member since:
2005-12-31

Right, it's still doing floating point maths at snail speed, even on the C7.

Edited 2008-05-28 01:22 UTC

RE: Processors
by Henrik on Wed 28th May 2008 19:16 UTC in reply to "Processors"
Henrik Member since:
2006-01-03

I'm afraid this is mostly nonsense - perhaps due to a badly written benchmark program (not uncommon). Actually, the Cyrix FPU needed 4-7 cycles to do a FADD (a typical operation) while the i387 needed 23-34, and the i287 took 70-100 cycles to do the same.

Regarding FSQRT (important in many early 3D games) the numbers are 59-60 for Cyrix, 122-129 for the i387, and 180-186 for the i287.

On integer code, the Cyrix chip was faster than a Pentium, "clock for clock", and thus much faster than a i486 (see datasheets).

Also, while VIA sold the Cyrix designs for a while, the IDT/Centaur-designed C3 and C7 has nothing to do with the Cyrix chips, at least not regaring technical solutions used.

/Best Regards

Give me a Pentium-M please.
by shyouko on Wed 28th May 2008 01:20 UTC
shyouko
Member since:
2005-12-31

[quote]...coupled with the higher levels of performance..[/quote]
I read it through twice before I believed my eyes that they are claiming this. Yu know what higher levels of performance means when your YouTube video jitters...

I really regret buying the VIA PC2500 mother board as it performs terribly (either CPU or disk controller wise) and it's not really that cheap. I can get a comparable (and certainly better) AOpen P-M MB + CPU for the same amount of money, even using roughly the same amount of electricity, maybe?

CAD files
by Munchkinguy on Wed 28th May 2008 02:28 UTC
Munchkinguy
Member since:
2007-12-22

What program are the CAD files for? If they are saved in Autodesk's proprietary CAD format, then you can hardly call the design "open".

RE: CAD files
by TLZ_ on Wed 28th May 2008 06:58 UTC in reply to "CAD files"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

Well it's about open hardware, not neccerely open software. (The specs even mentions Windows XP)

Edited 2008-05-28 07:00 UTC

RE: CAD files
by JrezIN on Wed 28th May 2008 11:36 UTC in reply to "CAD files"
JrezIN Member since:
2005-06-29

Do you know any alternative compatible files? You may suggest a file format to then, you know...

(the cruel reality is... this manufacture partners are using plain common proprietary CAD... sad, but true...)

RE[2]: CAD files
by smashIt on Wed 28th May 2008 16:19 UTC in reply to "RE: CAD files"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

(the cruel reality is... this manufacture partners are using plain common proprietary CAD... sad, but true...)

the cruel reality is that there is no open-source cad application availabel (only some little sketching-tools)

and for file-formats it only gets as open as dxf and xt

RE[3]: CAD files
by lemur2 on Thu 29th May 2008 03:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: CAD files"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

(the cruel reality is... this manufacture partners are using plain common proprietary CAD... sad, but true...) the cruel reality is that there is no open-source cad application availabel (only some little sketching-tools)


Quite a few of these Linux CAD applications:

http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html
http://linuxgazette.net/issue54/frost.html
http://www.roseindia.net/linux/linux-cad-software.shtml
http://caladan.nanosoft.ca/software.php

... are considerably more capable than "some little sketching-tools".

http://www.cad-schroer.com/index.php?screen=1.3&ziel=Products-M...

http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html

http://www.varicad.com/en/home/

A number of them (such as Qcad) are open source.

There is even an option for PCB layout and production:

http://www.cadsoft.de/info.htm

Edited 2008-05-29 03:37 UTC

RE[4]: CAD files
by smashIt on Thu 29th May 2008 18:39 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: CAD files"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

and which of these tools are opensource and useable?

qcad is just a little sketching-tool (as is autocad)

RE[2]: CAD files
by Munchkinguy on Wed 28th May 2008 17:23 UTC in reply to "RE: CAD files"
Munchkinguy Member since:
2007-12-22

The open standard is DXF (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DXF).

Edited 2008-05-28 17:24 UTC

openbook
by Different on Wed 28th May 2008 06:02 UTC
Different
Member since:
2007-07-03

I still remember the cyrix chip. Oh man it was bad, my PC would hang suddenly and so many compatibilies issue

Anyway this would make a good low cost smart client laptop. Running Windows player and browser locally and running processor intensive apps on the server via ThinServer

http://www.aikotech.com/thinserver.htm

great
by mmu_man on Wed 28th May 2008 14:43 UTC
mmu_man
Member since:
2006-09-30

Regardless performance debate, opening design of such things can only be welcome, even if it's much harder to build those than it is to recompile software.
Of course if VIA wants to donate one so we can port Haiku to it, we'd be happy to oblige. ;)